#9 Grandfather Bernard GINSBERG Siblings
- derek4440
- Oct 28, 2024
- 9 min read
Updated: Dec 21, 2024
5) GINSBERG, BERNARD SIBLINGS
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The Parents of Bernard GINSBERG & his Siblings were;
Marks GINSBERG Born Abt 1841 RUSSIA,
Married bef 1860 RUSSIA Mary FINE,
Died 3/AUG/1902 33 Fernie Street, Cheetham, MANCHESTER.
Marks Died 5/DEC/1896 33 Fernie Street, Cheetham, MANCHESTER. They had 6 Children
OK now back to Bernard’s known siblings, the next in line after Bernard is
Philip GINSBERG Born abt 1867 RUSSIA, Died 1/NOV/1922 MANCHESTER Age 55 years old
Philip GINSBERG Death Certificate
Informant D. JACOBSON Cousin, Son of Sarah GINSBERG
Family homes 96 Charlotte Street & 3 Bell Street, both Cheetham, MANCHESTER
Married 19/DEC/1894 LEEDS, UK Naomi MYERSKRONIG (later MYERS) Born 25/APR/1873 42 George Street, LEEDS, UK Died 26/NOV/1959 324 Stainbeck Road, LEEDS, UK Age 86 years old. They had 6 Children
After they were Married at Belgrave Synagogue, Philip lived in LEEDS & was a Draper, mostly a Travelling Draper, but it was his wife who supported the family financially.
They lived 25 Lady Lane, LEEDS for about 3 years from 1898, then lived at Naomi's parents house at 21 Bridge Street, LEEDS for a number of years. Philip went back to live in MANCHESTER, after his wife kicked him out. They had 6 Children as follows
Naomi MYERS, her Brother Marks & His Wife Dora SALINSKY
Naomi MYERS,
Joseph GINSBERG Born 28/SEP/1895 LEEDS Died 28/AUG/1946 GUERNSEY Age 50 years old
Joe GINSBERG,
Joseph Married Lucy Ann MOSS in 1926 in GRIMSBY & lived there until moving to HITCHEN, which is where he lived at the time of his death. He was known as Joseph Gilbert MYERS as he took his Mother’s adopted Surname, & worked as a Custom Excise Officer. He was on holiday with his Wife Lucy & Son Peter, staying at the White Gables Hotel GUERNSEY, when he went swimming one afternoon, got into difficulties, & despite Lucy & Peter trying to save him, he died.
MYERS, JOSEPH GEP August 29 1946
His son Peter was at CAMBRIDGE with his Cousin Stanley MYERS. I gave Stanley, Peter’s details & he went to meet him, but there was no interest from Peter, so Stanley didn’t take if any further.
Naomi became known as MYERS & all hers & Philip’s Children took on this Surname, rather than GINSBERG. Naomi became a Boot & Shoe Dealer & was able to support herself & her children until they were old enough to look after themselves. Naomi Died 26/NOV/1959 LEEDS Age 86 years.
Naomi MYERKRONIG Birth Certificate became Naomi MYERS
Bertha Pearl GINSBERG Born 18/FEB/1898 LEEDS Died 9/APR/1979 MELBOURNE Age 81 years old
Bertha Married Joseph Isaac SACOFSKI Born about 1901 RIGA, LATVIA, Died 25/MAR/1963 LEEDS. Became known as SACKS & had 3 Daughters the eldest Phyllis Born 5/AUG/1931 died within a few days.
Bertha Pearl GINSBERG, KETUBAH
Noreen SACOFSKI Born 19/FEB/1933 LEEDS Married Basil LEVINSON 15/MAY/1956 on Kibbutz Amiad, Upper Galilee, ISRAEL. Basil was Born 24/FEB/1934 CARDIFF
They have 3 sons who all lived on the Kibbutz. We went to see the Family & spent a delightful day with them on the Kibbutz a few years ago.
Basil & Noreen LEVINSON
Patricia Iris SACOFSKY Born 17/OCT/1934 LEEDS Married David MILAN Originally MELANOVITCH) 5/JUN/1955 LEEDS, David was Born 11/SEP/1931 Stepney Green, LONDON. They have 3 Married Daughters all with children. We have met Pat & David a number of times when we’ve been to MELBOURNE, we’ve spent Friday Night Sabbath with them, & met most if not all their children. They are a lovely Family & I miss not seeing them.
David & Patricia MILAN Wedding
Mark GINSBERG Born 31/JUL/1899 LEEDS Died 22/OCT/1972 LEEDS Age 73 years old
Married 24/FEB/1927 LEEDS, Dora SALINSKY had 3 Children Born 1904 BIRMINGHAM, UK
Died 1957 LEEDS, UK Age 53 years old Mark was originally called Marcus, & adopted his Mothers Surname MYERS. Mark was in the Furniture business. Mark & Dora had 3 children;
Birth Certificate Marks GINSBERG aka Marcus later Mark MYERS
Mark MYERS
Audrey Myers Born 12/NOV/1933 LEEDS
Married George MANNING & had 3 children
Peter MYERS Born 12/JUL/1935 LEEDS Died 22/APR/2013 LEEDS
Age 77 years old. Married Doreen GREEN & had 3 children
I knew Peter as he lived in the Falklands, but neither of us realised we were related, until I found a copy of his Fathers Birth Certificate, whilst doing research which showed his original GINSBERG surname. We became quite friendly & went out for a couple meals as a foursome. Peter owned the Kosherie at Moortown,
GINSBERG, MARKS BC 1899 LEEDS MYERS Mabel GINSBERG Born 20/OCT/1901 LEEDS Died 31/JAN/1982 LEEDS Age 80 years old
Mabel GINSBERG
Simon GLAZER aka Jimmy
Mabel Married Simon GLAZER 3/JAN/1933 LEEDS & they had two Children, one of whom Harvey, was in the same class as me at Roundhay Secondary Grammar School. When doing the research & finding he was related I contacted him, but he didn’t want to know. I later found out that he had cut himself off from most people.
Robert GINSBERG Born 19/NOV/1903 LEEDS Died 10/DEC/1941 LEEDS Age 38 years old Robert never Married or had issue
Herbert GINSBERG Born 9/MAR/1906 LEEDS Died 20/MAY/1979 LEEDS Age 73 years old Herbert Married Lily ROBERTS 17/MAR/1940 LEEDS Died 16/FEB/2000 LEEDS Age 92 years old
Herbert GINSBERG
They had two Children. Lily was attacked in her home by an intruder & died from the shock & stress of the break in & the killer received 15 years for Manslaughter
Lily GINSBERG (nee ROBERTS)
Benjamin GINSBERG Born 13/APR/1866 RUSSIA Died 28/JAN/1940 MANCHESTER Age 73 years old Benjamin Married Polly HARRIS 1/SEP/1891 NOTTINGHAM they had a Daughter
Sarah Leah GINSBERG Born 2/FEB/1894 WARRINGTON Died when 21 years old WARRINGTON.
Benjamin & Polly moved from NOTTINGHAM to WARRINGTON where he was a Market Trader until 14/OCT/1909 when the following Receiving Order was placed on him;
Residing and carrying. on business at 28, Golborne-street, Warrington, in the county of Lancaster, and also carrying on business at the several Market Halls in Warrington, St. Helens, and Earlestown, in the said county. Fancy Goods and Lace Dealer
Goodall GINSBERG Born 1872 RUSSIA Died before 1930 USA Age About 58 years old Goodall Married Lucy Blanche BENJAMIN 28/AUG/1900 MANCHESTER & they had two Sons
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Marks Harris GINSBERG Born 8/MAY/1901 MANCHESTER Died 12/JAN/1988 MANCHESTER Age 86 years old
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Frank GINSBERG Born 22/MAY/1905 Died 1980 MANCHESTER Age 74 years old
Goodall, like a number of Family members is a bit of a mystery; first of all, there is his given name Goodall. I can’t find any information about this being used as a Jewish given name anywhere.
Goodall GINSBERG Certificate of Marriage
On 8/SEP/1895, at the age of about 23 he left LIVERPOOL on SS OHIO bound for PHILADELPHIA, PA where he was met by a Cousin who lived at 223, 11th Street PHILADELPHIA, PA,
Copy of Ships Manifest
This may be a fictious Cousin, maybe just a friend, rather than a relative. Why he would go to the USA in 1895, then come back & get Married in the UK on 28/AUG/1900, have two sons 1901 & 1905, & then on 24/JAN/1908 leave from LIVERPOOL on SS CARONIA for NEW YORK by then calling himself Mr GUINNESS, I’ve no idea!!!!
Goodall GINSBERG Census 1901
I couldn’t find any trace of Goodall in AMERICA (under GINSBERG/GUINNESS or even using Goodall) & that includes his death. Lucy must have found proof of his death to be declared his Widow as shown on her Certificate of Marriage to Joseph RAPHAEL 24/JAN/1911 MANCHESTER, there was no issue from this Marriage. Betty GINSBERG, Frank’s daughter also said she thought he may have Died in CANADA, which is something I haven’t followed up.
Lucy Blanche GINSBERG (Goodall's Widow) Certificate of 2nd Marriage
Reverting to their eldest Son Marks Harris GINSBERG, he Married Lily KIND 14/JUN/1924 MANCHESTER, & on his Certificate of Marriage he states he was a Professional Pugilist (ie Boxer) under the name Harry Edward GUINNESS. He further states that his Father was Henry GUINNESS (deceased) & that his Father's profession was a "Professional Pugilist". His Father who was Goodall GINSBERG seems to have changed his name or adopted the name GUINNESS, as that is the name he boarded the ship for NEW YORK on 24/JAN/1908. His Wife/Widow was still known as GINSBERG when she was Married for a second time in 1931 which would seem to contradict that his change of surname was official. I've no knowledge that he became a boxer & his Granddaughter Betty GINSBERG never mentioned this when I spoke to her.
Mark Harris GINSBERG aka Harry Edward GUINNESS
Certificate of Marriage to Lily KIND
The following appeared In London Gazette 5/OCT/1943
“HARRY EDWARD GUINNESS of 18 Cordova Avenue, Denton in the city of Manchester, Works Foreman heretofore called and known by the name of Marks Harris Ginsberg a natural born British subject hereby give notice that on the 25th day of September 1943 I renounced and abandoned the use of my said Christian names of Marks Harris and my said surname of Ginsberg and assumed in lieu thereof the Christian names of Harry Edward and the surname of Guinness and further that such change of name is evidenced by a deed poll dated the 25th day of September 1943 duly executed by me and attested and enrolled in the Enrolment Department of the Central Office of the Royal Courts of Justice on the 30th day of September 1943.—Dated the 1st day of October 1943.
HARRY EDWARD GUINNESS, late Marks Harris Ginsberg. (112)
Mark & Lily had a Son Francis William GUINNESS who in turn Married & had a Daughter called June who also Married & had two sons, none followed Judaism.
Goodall’s younger Son, Frank Married Jessie THOMASON 23/AUG/1933 & had 2 Daughters & a Son Leslie who died before his first Birthday. Frank was a Tailor’s Cutter & worked at this all his life. I spoke to Betty, Frank’s eldest child, who gave me some of the information on Goodall, but I never met her. Frank’s family like his Brother Marks Harris’s didn’t keep to Judaism & sadly I’ve lost contact with them.
We now come to
Leon GINSBERG Born 2/MAY/1873 RUSSIA Died 8/MAY/1944 MANCHESTER Age 71 years old Leon Married Rose ROSENSTREICH 17/MAY/1900 MANCHESTER, but the Marriage didn’t last long as Rose Died 7/NOV/1905 MANCHESTER. They had a daughter
Eveline GINSBERG Born 16/APR/1901 MANCHESTER, Died 9/NOV/1963 VICTORIA, BC, CANADA Age 62 years old Eveline Married George CARR & they had a son Alan D CARR Born 1941 in VICTORIA, lived 6 Waterloo Street, St. HELIER, JERSEY, where he worked in the Financial Sector. As far as I know he never Married.
Alan & George CARR with Eveline GINSBERG
After Rose’s Death Leon Married Annie BALKIN 4/AUG/1907 MANCHESTER & they had two children.
Mark Harris GINSBERG Born 21/AUG/1908 MANCHESTER Died 8/DEC/1972 MANCHESTER. Age 64 years old
Mark Married Leah Toby GOLDSTONE 30/MAR/1947 at the Spanish & Portuguese Synagogue, MANCHESTER. Mark went to live with Bernard GINSBERG in LEEDS in 1939 & came back to MANCHESTER before his Marriage. Though he started out as an Upholsterer he became a Furniture Salesman by the time of his Marriage. Unfortunately, he never had children & according to Barbara, Mark suffered with MS later in life.
Marks Sister, Rose GINSBERG Born 17/JUN/1914 MANCHESTER Died, 15/JUN/1998 SANTA CLARA, CA Age 83 years old. Never Married, & no issue
Rose never Married, but like her Brother Mark Harris GINSBERG she went to live with her Uncle Bernard in LEEDS, after which she moved to CANADA & lived with Eveline. She eventually moved to CALIFORNIA where she became Professor Psychology San Jose State University, College of Social Sciences.
Lastly, we have
Sarah GINSBERG Born 26/JAN/1876 RUSSIA Died 24/AUG/1946 MANCHESTER Age 70 years old Sarah Married Max JACOBSON, a Master Cap Maker, probably abt 1896 Sarah lived with Marks & Mary at their Family home at 33 Fernie Street, Cheetham, MANCHESTER in 1891 when she was 14 years old & employed as a Machinist. In 1939 she & Max JACOBSON lived at 26 Herbert Street, Cheetham, MANCHESTER, where they lived until Sarah Died.
Sarah Death Certificate
We know they had at least one child, whose name started with a D, but that’s all we’ve found up to now. Except of course that he was registered as the Informant of their uncle Philip GINSBERG'S death on 2/NOV/1922 . At that time he lived with his Parents at 3 Bell Street, Cheetham, MANCHESTER
We know where many of the relatives who Died in the UK are Buried, in many cases, besides the Cemetery we have the plot numbers. In addition, we have photos of many of the Headstones. The importance of the headstone is that a Jewish Headstone shows the Hebrew Name of the deceased. For those that don’t know, this means that not only does it show the Hebrew Name of the deceased, but also the Father of the deceased in the following format;
ENGLISH IN HEBREW ON HEADSTONE
Cecil Headstone
Cecil Son of Bernard Zussel Ben Baruch זוסל בן ברוך
Bernard Headstone
Bernard Son of Mark Baruch Ben Mordechai Ztvi ברוך בן מרדכי צבי
This makes it easier than with a Gentile Family into finding the next Generation, as you have a clue who the Father is, except of course where the Headstone is so worn you are unable to read it.
Jewish people traditionally didn't have surnames & were known by their Hebrew Names ie my Grandfather would have been know as Baruch Ben Mordechai Ztvi. This changed on 23 July 1787, five years after the Edict of Tolerance, the Holy Roman Emperor Joseph II issued a decree called Das Patent über die Judennamen (The patent on the names of Jews), which compelled the Jews to adopt German surnames. At the end of the 18th century after the Partition of Poland and later after the Congress of Vienna, the Russian Empire acquired a large number of Jews who did not use surnames. They, too, were required to adopt surnames during the 19th century.
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